tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC February 4, 2015 7:00pm-8:01pm PST
to find out if reince priebus went on this trip led by the guy who says america was founded to advance the christian faith and he couldn't vote for a mormon like mitt romney, after dodging those questions and refusing to say anything about it there was reince priebus yesterday, not in israel but washington, d.c. apparently the rnc caved. reince priebus bailed and they couldn't take the heat and they're hoping they refuse all comment about it no one will notice notice. mr. chairman, we noticed. that does it for us tonight. now it's time for "the haste word with lawrence o'donnell."
>> rachel no one would have noticed without you. great job. >> thank you. today, king abdullah of jordan called for a relentless war against the islamic state. last night, the king ordered the executions of two terrorist prisoners in response to a 22-minute video showing a jordanian combat pilot being burned to death. now the white house is considering its next move. >> president obama said today that the u.s. was going to double down on the efforts to defeat and degrade isis. or icesilisil. what dose does that mean the >> nothing is going to slow down. we're going to continue to put as much pressure on them as possible, with our partners in iraq and in syria. >> we did see reports that the jordanian government did carry out the execution of two
prisoners. these were two individuals that did go through the jordanian justice system. >> the white house is not criticizing that? >> we need partners on the ground to beat isis. >> do you believe that we need to have a strategy to combat isis? >> absolutely. >> what do you understand the strategy to be? >> mr. chairman in iraq the force that will keep them defeated is the iraqi security forces. that's our strategy is to strengthen them. we are trying to build the force that will keep them defeated and that's going to be a combination of moderate syrian forces and regional forces. >> doesn't sound like a strategy to me it sounds like a series of goals to me. >> there is one remaining american hostage held by isis. a report says a rescue by elite military forces could be the
only realistic hope of survival for a 26-year-old female aid worker who the u.s. government believes was alive as recently as two weeks ago. a former office we are the military's joint special operations command said that even with fully accurate intelligence on the woman's location, a rescue mission's chances of success would be less than 50%. michael, this question of now that we're down to as far as we know, one american hostage left and maybe 20 overall is the rough count they think they have the islamic state, the question is coming up again, is a rescue possible? >> i would put it less than 50%. i would put it maybe at 10%. there's a very good reason for that. it's because isis has become very adept at moving themselves
around they don't stay in a location more than two or three days. that's key for special forces trying to get fixated on a target. the key they're lacking is human intelligence. human intelligence is a huge part of allowing western forces to be able to operate effectively against targets, whether in afghanistan or whether in iraq. there's a vacuum in syria, because everyone has been brainwashed by the isis ideology especially in the areas that they are operating in whether aleppo or other places in syria. so i think the chances are very slim. the other guy that is prominent in the news is the uk journalist that isis have been using quite uniquely in terms of his skill set and spreading that propaganda with an english voice to the west. what's interesting here lawrence, we are down to about two. one of the key things that isis can do is infect and recruit by
leveraging western media with these hostages. but they're down to the last two. in terms of what we do next, in terms of how we counter their ideology this is one. the other one is using social media. and i think the non-military options we need to look at in terms of this approach to isis. >> phyllis, in "the new york times" today, there was a piece by begins by saying american forces appear to be turning the tide against the islamic state. do you see it that way? >> no unfortunately i don't. i think we have to be very clear that as president obama himself has said over and over again, there is no military solution here. the fact is you cannot bomb terrorism out of existence. you don't bomb terrorism, you bomb cities. you bomb people. and you kill them.
that doesn't, in the long run, or even in the medium term here that doesn't end the horrific realities of what isis is doing to people in that region. we're looking at a scenario we're getting new figures that have come out in the congressional hearings indicating that the pentagon claims they have killed somewhere in the area of 6,000 isis fighters maybe that's accurate, maybe it's not. i'm not sure. but they also admit that somewhere between 4,000, 5,000 just foreign forces have already replaced those dead fighters for isis. that's not even counting additional local fighters who have been recruited by the numbers among other things of civilians who have been killed in the bombings. so the notion that we are degrading isis is not the case. you cannot use a military weapon to try and go after an ideology. i think what michael just said is right, except i think it has to start with take away the
military option. you don't sort of add on to it and hope it works. the military option has failed. it failed in iraq for over a decade. it failed in afghanistan for over 13 years. remember, lawrence, we were told that the numbers of al qaeda forces in afghanistan, because the u.s. had been so successful was down to somewhere between 50 and 100 guys. and yet we kept at that time it was still over 100,000 troops in afghanistan for those 50 guys. and in the meantime while we have killed however many members of al qaeda, al qaeda-like organizations and organizations that grew out of al qaeda like isis have sprung up throughout the region. so calling that a victory is a very mistaken approach. >> michael, to be care to kenneth pollock, he does say that a military mission alone cannot be successful. it does require political elements and all sorts of
healing politically within iraq that we see no evidence of. in addition to the very very public things like these beheadings and then this burning video that we saw, we have a report from the united nations about what the islamic state is doing that we don't see, that they are not seeking western -- they are selling abducted iraqi children at markets as sex slaves and killing other youth, including by crucifixion or burying them alive. this is not a group that is trying to win hearts and minds. this is a group that is working entirely on fear. >> let's be absolutely clear here, lawrence. isis isil it's a cult. if you're a sunni, you're not safe. if you're a shia you're not safe. if you're a christian or a jew, you're not safe. if you are russian, you're not
safe. if you're european you're not safe. if you're american saudi, you're not safe. it goes on and on. the point is this is a global threat and a global threat requires a multifaceted and a mullti multilayered response. not just regional. saudi arabia should be taking the lead. uae should be taking the lead. jordan should all be there. egypt, pivotal. but we need russia. we need international legitimacy to try and work on a political road map, which cannot be sanctioned unless you have agreement on the permanent five on the u.n. security council. without russia's buy-in we won't be able to get that. going back to what phyllis was saying, i think the military do have a role but whatever the military does has to be fused to a political road map. without that political road map, any military action is short-term. it is useful.
we have just seen kobani, it has been liberated by the syrian kurds on the ground. kobani is leveled from the air strikes, but what we need is a political road map. so there are geopolitical problems that we have to get around. russia, ukraine, we have to look at iran and the nuclear problem. let's leverage egypt a bit more. we need to galvanize this and work our way, a coordinated effort to attack isis globally. >> philyllisphyllis, all of these elements have been floets floating around these issues for years, and american strategists have never been able to come up with something cohesive that held onto every one of those moving parts at the same time. >> and i think part of the problem, lawrence is precisely the focus on the military. you're right that these ideas have come and gone. we've seen them in various
proposals, but they all say when we start to have a policy based on vengeance, we're hearing it again after the horrific murder of the jordanian bomber pilot, we ore hearing again we have to destroy them. you can't build a strategy out of vengeance, which is what we're starting to hear once again. unfortunately, as long as the focus remains on the military the other issues that are so important, questions of what do you do about a cease-fire how do you get a cease-fire in syria? how do you work on an arms embargo on all sides? we need to be engaging with russia and iran but you're not going to get russia to sign on what's known as a chapter 7 resolution at the united nations that would set the stage to authorize more military force. you might have a chance to engage russia by saying let's talk about how to get a
cease-fire. the united nations is taking the lead to trying to make some arrangements for temporary cease-fires in some small areas of syria as starting point. we should support that instead of saying new bombing in syria, let's encourage a cease-fire. maybe a cease-fire in some areas could lead to talk of an arms embargo. that's not going to happen right away either but we need to have that on the table, something we're moving towards. otherwise, we keep falling into the same trap that george bush posed to us, that we either go to war or let him get away with it. that's never the choice. it wasn't the only choice then. it's not the only choice now. as long as we keep the focus on what is our military going to do, how many new ways can we talk about we're going to fail at the political side. we will not win support from iraqi sunnis as long as we are bombing iraqi sunni towns.
when the hospital in fallujah gets bombed we're not going to win supporters away from isis we're driving people right into their arms. >> michael, before we go what do you expect from king abdullah next? >> it's the million dollar question. i think jordan on its own, isn't going to be able to solve this problem. jordan has to corral the regional partners to be able to get everyone around the table and say, politically what are we going to do here? i do think there are ideas to explore. one is decentralized governments. that doesn't work when you have effectively a country full of tribal units that transcend national boundaries. so maybe decentralized governments might be a way forward. but again, hugely complex issue that needs military and
political solutions. >> thank you both very much for joining us tonight. coming up another tragic and deadly plane crash in asia. and later, the biggest loser in the world timely speaks. the seattle seahawks coach who called the play that gave the super bowl to the patriots. he told matt lauer what that moment felt like. in the rewrite tonight, the bravest kissers in the world. the guy sitting behind them in that photo, oh get that photo back up. that guy hitting behind them in that photo now wants to put those women in jail. and later, the brilliant author of "the vagina monologues" will tell us what she has planned for v-day this year. i wish... please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic for walk-in medical care. and created programs that
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explosion-type thing. once we jumped off on the side, there was another explosion. >> reporter: and it's happened before. this is just outside of orlando last may. the car stalled on a railroad crossing just before the gates came down. the driver got out with seconds to spare. just last month in houston, a mother father and six children escaped injury when this freight train struck their car and another crossing. officers say the constructer sounded the horn several times, but the two cars didn't move in time. and then in glendale california an suv stuck on the tracks caused this commuter train to derail. hitting trains on both sides of it killing 11 people. >> almost like a pretzel. >> reporter: according to the federal railroad administration more than 230 people were killed
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in taiwan 12 passengers from transasia flight 235 are still missing tonight after the plane crashed after takeoff. automobile dash board cameras captured the final moments as the wing and tail hit a freeway and fell into the river below. the plane's final communication was a may day sent to air traffic control, which one of the pilots said they had "an engine flameout." 31 of the 58 people on board were killed. but 15 survivors, including a 2-year-old child. they were pulled from the wreckage, and taken to local hospitals. search and rescue crews have
recovered the black boxes and an investigation is under way. this is the second transasia plane to crash in less than a year. joining me now is former investigator for the ntsb and air force allen deal the author of "air safety investigators." allen, what do you make of that may day message engine flameout? >> clearly, lawrence they lost one of their engines. it's been reported that it was probably the left engine. that's very interesting, because when you lose an engine you're not supposed to turn towards the engine that's failed. they tell you to raise the dead engine in other words, lift that wing. this captain was in a very precarious situation. he had buildings to his right and he had to make a calculated decision to turn into that dead engine and save the people in that building and abort the
aircraft. but at great risk of losing control. >> so alan when you look at that video you're seeing what you believe is a deliberate turn not a plane out of control turning against the will of the pilot. >> lawrence, it's obviously very hard to tell and the recorders will tell the story. we always say that the flight data recorder tells you what happened. the cockpit voice recorder tells you why. but there may have been some conversation that captain, we can't turn right, the buildings or something like that. that's why they may have consciously turned to the left against the basic rules about never turn into a dead engine. never turn in that direction. >> but that could have been if deliberate, a life-saving decision for other people. nord making that calculation, we absolutely must not go into the building that could lead to more loss of life. >> exactly, lawrence. we know that captain sullenberg
had that same decision over manhattan there. that's one thing that all pilots try to do is protect the people on the ground as well as their passengers. but we don't know at this point we don't really know. it's possible there may have been a malfunctioning propeller system on that left engine. when you lose an engine, they're supposed to go into what's called feather, and the playeds align with the swoop stream reducing resistance. that may not have happened. i couldn't tell from the photographs or videos but maybe there was a mechanical problem with that left engine. we still don't know so much about this. we're only speculating at this point. >> but there are scenarios which you could lose that engine and safely proceed, even at that point in takeoff? >> absolutely. they climbed to 1300 feet.
normally that would be enough to safely conduct an emergency procedure, and take the aircraft around and land it. but obviously something very wrong happened. we don't know if perhaps -- i'm speculating here but on the leeward side of those building but may have caused turbulence causing more problems. but we don't know if there's a mechanical failure with the engine issues. >> i was on a flight once out of washington, d.c. it was a two-engine plane, lost an engine, and it felt like the plane was going in reverse. it wasn't but that's the shocking sensation in the loss of momentum from just the loss of one engine. >> absolutely. of course, you want to twist towards the dead engine. that's what you try to avoid as a pilot. >> alan thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up next an nbc noose
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in the spotlight tonight, the worst call ever by a head coach in a super bowl or was it? with 26 seconds left to go in the game on sunday night, the seattle seahawks were 36 inches from a second straight super bowl victory win. coach pete carroll sent in the play that gave the ball and the game to the patriots. instead of doing what the world expected handing the ball to star running back marshawn lynch to pick up a yard pete carroll ordered a quick pass over the goal line that was snatched by the patriots' malcolm butler. as great as that moment felt for patriots' fans and as horrific as it felt for seahawks' fans imagine, imagine how it felt for the man responsible for tossing away a super bowl victory. >> take me back to when you
weren't -- i watched your expression as you saw that play unfold. you bent over at the waist and my heart broke for you. how were you feeling inside? >> immediately, within the instant of the turnover the gravity of what just happened, i understood. there was only a second or two before you stand up and start looking ahead and getting ready for what's coming. >> you can see more of the interview with pete carroll tomorrow morning. joining me now from seattle is huffington post column must jordan schultz. jordan you're in seattle. i imagine exactly no one in seattle has gotten over this yet. >> lawrence you're 100% right there. i was at the game in phoenix, and patriot fans were getting ready to leave, because the game
was over. so i'm here to tell you that i can't possibly defend as a seahawks fan what happened on the 1 yard line. he had 11 catches all season long. if you're going to throw that play you have to go on a roll rustle wilson out, throw it to chris matthews and live to play another round. they didn't do that and here we are. >> bruce beck there's a very interesting kind of revisionist history coming up here now, defending this call saying look if incomplete it stops the clock, they needed the clock to stop so they could regroup for what would be that handoff that gets you the yard. >> pete carroll said we're going to run the ball but not on that down. it's unthinkable. it makes no sense. give the ball to marshawn lynch.
you're at the 1 yard line. he's got 100 yards in the game. i liked the other option with russell wilson doing a little play-action, a little bootleg. but do not throw the football especially to the middle of the field. if anything throw a fade. the ball is not going to be intercepted. you still have a chance. >> yeah that's the thing, jordan, is that you're throwing it into a crowd on this play. what you and bruce are talking about is okay if you are going to toss it there's a way to do this that will get you either an incompletion or a touchdown. this wasn't that way. >> it really wasn't. i'm glad bruce mentioned the play-action with the run. statle with the read option which they didn't use at all in the game. russell wilson led the nfl for quarterbacks in rushing. sixth all-time in a single season for a quarterback. that could have been a safer play. they had three downs, under 30 seconds. they were worried about time. they wanted to waste a play so
that tom brady wouldn't have a lot of time to lead new england down the field. but you have to get in the end zone. i thought, which was talked about in a big study by 538 today saying hey, bill belichick didn't call a time-out it really bailed him out. new england was in such dire straits. the only thing that could have happened for them to lose the game is what happened. and the chances are so slim. it was a terrible mistake that you can't justify. >> i like the fact that they didn't call time-out. you've got the lead. when you have the lead you don't call time-out. and belichick almost created confusion for seattle, thinking maybe something is going on here. might have put a shadow of doubt in their minds. i think it was a good call. >> you know what was interesting, lawrence, to bruce's point, not calling a time-out, but also seattle was number two in power situations
this year. new england was dead last in defending it. and they said pete carroll said, we don't want to run against their goal line package. that was the confusion that bruce was talking about, by not calling a time-out that belichick was able to install. >> and bruce, what about this. by the way, the three of us i know zero about nfl stats, but i learned this today. in this entire season of nfl play on the 1 yard line quarterbacks threw 66 touchdowns with zero interceptions. >> i know that stat just amplifies this mistake. is it the worst in super bowl history? i say yes. is it the worst in sports history. you can look at the miracle at the meadowlands in 1978 when the ball was fumbled. look at grady little against the yankees in the 2003 alcs game seven, when he left pedro
martinez on the hill going into the eighth with a 5-2 lead. but you can't say anything tops this. >> jordan what about coach's response and what he said to matt lauer, how is that playing in seattle? >> not well. there is a sense that seattle, they are appreciative of pete carroll falling on the sword and showing class here. that is commendable. but the offensive coordinator is ultimately responsible. whether or not carroll will add mitt it i have a hard time understanding if he wasn't involved in this. but to even entertain a throw here especially on a slant route with that much traffic is just beyond words to me. >> but bruce, i've got to say, i love the attitude that he expresses to matt lauer. i love mental set where the worst thing in the world has just happened and he immediately, his brain immediately goes into what do
we have to do next is >> pete is a class act. this could have been his legacy. two ncaa championships, two super bowl titles. that's amazing stuff. instead, he's looking at one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the super bowl. but i think he can handle it. this is a guy that's seen a lot of problems. he was fired in new england. new england is finally saying we won a super bowl with pete carroll. >> go ahead, jordan. >> well with pete carroll, this happened a similar situation at usc. they lost to texas in the 2005 title game. he gave it to a running back who went on to be an nfl player but they lost the game and he was blamed a lot. he will get over this to bruce's point. but to me, the bigger tostory is legacy. they could have had back-to-back
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the councilman recently reacted to apple's ceo tim cook's announcement that he is gay by insisting that tim cook should be banned from russia for life. he said what could he bring us the ebola virus, aids gonorrhea? ban him for life. when he later discovered that he had been photo bombed on that airplane by a lesbian couple on the flight that the -- and that the photo had gone viral, he told the press, the lezsbians went through with this photo session due to their stupidy. they have overdosed on so-called european values. and he vowed to retaliate by saying they should have to do a photo session in a police station. this brave couple knew just how
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>> justice has been talked about all the time. we have always struggled against injustice. >> it obviously became bigger. >> joining me now, founder of one billion rising and a tony award winning play write. eve, where does it feel like you are in this movement? meaning, beginning, middle you know somewhere toward to the an end, but real progress? >> it's such a good question. i ask myself that all the time. sometimes it feels like we really move forward, sometimes it feels like we're just beginning. i don't see the end yet. >> right. >> but i think one of the things i have really experienced of the last three years of this campaign, one billion rising and now one billion revolution is we have definitely seen an escalation in the energy the
attention, the response and the kind of coalition building that's happening around the world. and that's very exciting. i think it's hard to tell because as we progress more women come forward to tell their stories, so it may seem as if more women are being violated. so it's hard to tell is it we're having progress or moving backwards? at the same time having just toured the world in the last few months i am seeing so much grassroot uprisings around the world. i was in the fillphilippines, i was in taiwan india, i was in brussels, france. i think what's happening right now is we're at a tipping point. i think if we really move forward, if we really say this is the moment where violence against women cannot be denied ever again, and we have the uprising that we had last year and it's very clear from everything that's coming in right now, that this movement
has taken fire around the world, it is going to be the biggest rising we've ever had, in villages towns, cities. coaches were riding in today who are up in oregon and they have put posters of rising to end violence against women. we're seeing vets women vets who are being raped in the military, doing vets across america. we're seeing the restaurant workers who have been working with one bill rising who are rising because of the minimum wage. restaurant workers rely on tips so it makes sexual harassment the largest trade. so we're see thing great coalition and great intersection of looking at economic rights racial justice, looking at environmental justice and a coming together into one story of uprising. >> i last saw you after a
great -- another great evening of theater, opc, which you had, and you did a great conversation with the audience and i sat there and i wondered you know eve does all this activist work year in year out, whether she has a new play coming out or not. and somehow you find the team somewhere in the day to continue to write brilliantly. opc is another enormous theatrical burst from you. and i just don't -- tell me how you manage this time how do you get these things done? >> i'm so privileged. i get to be in this ginormous movement and campaign with extraordinary activists around the world. many of whom have just flown in to new york for our uprising on february 7th. my sisters are here from philippines, kenya, congo,
afghanistan. and i look at the amazing, brave, daring, extraordinary work they're doing on the front lines, in situations that seem untenable, and so it seems to me that gives me an abundance of energy and abundance, to be honest of hope. because i see the kind of grassroots uprisings that are happening across the planet. >> you talked about how vulnerable you can be to the news, how too much what we do here can break you down emotionally. so you have to fight against that in order to continue this larger fight. >> well you know i was talking to someone about this today. i think one of the problems with america sometimes, and i really feel this when i come back here is this kind of individualism. you know us me me me. i think the anecdote to that is thinking about the bigger story, the bigger we.